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	<title>Comments for Orthogonal Thinking</title>
	<link>http://www.marketmotive.com/marshall</link>
	<description>Getting there by other means</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 09:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on ClickTracks vs Omniture: A side by side comparison by Kailee C</title>
		<link>http://www.marketmotive.com/marshall/2007/09/04/clicktracks-vs-omniture-a-side-by-side-comparison/#comment-313</link>
		<author>Kailee C</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.marketmotive.com/marshall/2007/09/04/clicktracks-vs-omniture-a-side-by-side-comparison/#comment-313</guid>
		<description>where can I find out the difference in data collection methodology?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where can I find out the difference in data collection methodology?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Never, Ever, Pay For Traffic by Ramblings About SEO &#187; Blog Archive &#187; SEOs Should Focus on Conversions</title>
		<link>http://www.marketmotive.com/marshall/2007/10/08/never-ever-pay-for-traffic/#comment-312</link>
		<author>Ramblings About SEO &#187; Blog Archive &#187; SEOs Should Focus on Conversions</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.marketmotive.com/marshall/2007/10/08/never-ever-pay-for-traffic/#comment-312</guid>
		<description>[...] should be an important thing that you monitor as well. However, as John Marshall will tell you traffic is not the goal. Not all users are created [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] should be an important thing that you monitor as well. However, as John Marshall will tell you traffic is not the goal. Not all users are created [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Never, Ever, Pay For Traffic by Orthogonal Thinking &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Intent redux</title>
		<link>http://www.marketmotive.com/marshall/2007/10/08/never-ever-pay-for-traffic/#comment-307</link>
		<author>Orthogonal Thinking &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Intent redux</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.marketmotive.com/marshall/2007/10/08/never-ever-pay-for-traffic/#comment-307</guid>
		<description>[...] article encouraging people to avoid buying traffic and instead buy intent generated a fair amount of comments and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] article encouraging people to avoid buying traffic and instead buy intent generated a fair amount of comments and [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Invitation to join me in LinkBook / Scotty / Glaxo by admin</title>
		<link>http://www.marketmotive.com/marshall/2008/01/25/invitation-to-join-me-in-linkbook-scotty-glaxo/#comment-296</link>
		<author>admin</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 20:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.marketmotive.com/marshall/2008/01/25/invitation-to-join-me-in-linkbook-scotty-glaxo/#comment-296</guid>
		<description>The iphone analogy is very weak. iPhones are useful in and of themselves because I can:

Call people whether they have an iphone or not
Email people whether they have an iphone or not
Browse websites that are not built for iphone

With a social media site, implicitly I can interact only with other members of the site, hence the incentive to grab members while you can. In another 6 months we'll be exhausted from all the useless social media sites and will refuse to join new ones, leaving just a few standing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The iphone analogy is very weak. iPhones are useful in and of themselves because I can:</p>
<p>Call people whether they have an iphone or not<br />
Email people whether they have an iphone or not<br />
Browse websites that are not built for iphone</p>
<p>With a social media site, implicitly I can interact only with other members of the site, hence the incentive to grab members while you can. In another 6 months we&#8217;ll be exhausted from all the useless social media sites and will refuse to join new ones, leaving just a few standing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Invitation to join me in LinkBook / Scotty / Glaxo by Clifton Flack</title>
		<link>http://www.marketmotive.com/marshall/2008/01/25/invitation-to-join-me-in-linkbook-scotty-glaxo/#comment-295</link>
		<author>Clifton Flack</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.marketmotive.com/marshall/2008/01/25/invitation-to-join-me-in-linkbook-scotty-glaxo/#comment-295</guid>
		<description>John, you make an interesting and valid point that we're being bombarded with useless social apps by people we barely know.  

Ophir also makes a good point about 'sspam'

On the basis that we agree that in some form or another Social Networks are here to stay, the challenge for those of us in the industry is to take Social Networks to 'maturity'

By maturity I mean creating a clean platform for people to recommend 'useful' and compelling apps to share with friends and interact with individually.   For example, I do not think we are far from online banking making in roads, offering full online service within your 'secure' social network account.  This is an example of 'useful', these banks could offer incentives for account holders to recommend services to friends such as mortgages and loans.... and there we have it, reputable brand names endorsing social networks in a useful and viral manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, you make an interesting and valid point that we&#8217;re being bombarded with useless social apps by people we barely know.  </p>
<p>Ophir also makes a good point about &#8217;sspam&#8217;</p>
<p>On the basis that we agree that in some form or another Social Networks are here to stay, the challenge for those of us in the industry is to take Social Networks to &#8216;maturity&#8217;</p>
<p>By maturity I mean creating a clean platform for people to recommend &#8216;useful&#8217; and compelling apps to share with friends and interact with individually.   For example, I do not think we are far from online banking making in roads, offering full online service within your &#8217;secure&#8217; social network account.  This is an example of &#8216;useful&#8217;, these banks could offer incentives for account holders to recommend services to friends such as mortgages and loans&#8230;. and there we have it, reputable brand names endorsing social networks in a useful and viral manner.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Invitation to join me in LinkBook / Scotty / Glaxo by Bryan Zmijewski</title>
		<link>http://www.marketmotive.com/marshall/2008/01/25/invitation-to-join-me-in-linkbook-scotty-glaxo/#comment-294</link>
		<author>Bryan Zmijewski</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 06:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.marketmotive.com/marshall/2008/01/25/invitation-to-join-me-in-linkbook-scotty-glaxo/#comment-294</guid>
		<description>My, my, my... a long blog vacation and you're poohing everything social/web? It wasn't too long ago I was getting harassed by a million web analytics companies :)

Most social network sites are as useful as iPhones- it's just going a take some time for the dust to settle before people realize their lost time investment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My, my, my&#8230; a long blog vacation and you&#8217;re poohing everything social/web? It wasn&#8217;t too long ago I was getting harassed by a million web analytics companies <img src='http://www.marketmotive.com/marshall/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Most social network sites are as useful as iPhones- it&#8217;s just going a take some time for the dust to settle before people realize their lost time investment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Invitation to join me in LinkBook / Scotty / Glaxo by Ophir Cohen</title>
		<link>http://www.marketmotive.com/marshall/2008/01/25/invitation-to-join-me-in-linkbook-scotty-glaxo/#comment-293</link>
		<author>Ophir Cohen</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.marketmotive.com/marshall/2008/01/25/invitation-to-join-me-in-linkbook-scotty-glaxo/#comment-293</guid>
		<description>Hey John,
You are so right!

We're being bombarded with social networks for a while now, but I think facebook apps is really something worth a serious discussion.

I totally agree with you that 99.9% of them are simply spam wrapped in a "cool" gift box along with a "seal" from facebook which means basically "social spam". Perhaps "Social Spam" (or "sspam" ? :-) ) can be a term which will be widely accepted within a short while.

On the other hand, I keep readinng research reports whch shows increase use of these apps and increased traffic to business web sites from social networks, especially facebook.

Ophir</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey John,<br />
You are so right!</p>
<p>We&#8217;re being bombarded with social networks for a while now, but I think facebook apps is really something worth a serious discussion.</p>
<p>I totally agree with you that 99.9% of them are simply spam wrapped in a &#8220;cool&#8221; gift box along with a &#8220;seal&#8221; from facebook which means basically &#8220;social spam&#8221;. Perhaps &#8220;Social Spam&#8221; (or &#8220;sspam&#8221; ? <img src='http://www.marketmotive.com/marshall/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) can be a term which will be widely accepted within a short while.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I keep readinng research reports whch shows increase use of these apps and increased traffic to business web sites from social networks, especially facebook.</p>
<p>Ophir</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are We Blue? by &#187; Linking Without Walls Dixon Jones: Echoes from a quiet space</title>
		<link>http://www.marketmotive.com/marshall/2007/12/10/are-we-blue/#comment-241</link>
		<author>&#187; Linking Without Walls Dixon Jones: Echoes from a quiet space</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.marketmotive.com/marshall/2007/12/10/are-we-blue/#comment-241</guid>
		<description>[...] John Marshall&#8217;s anchor text was the &#8220;best show in Vegas&#8220;  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] John Marshall&#8217;s anchor text was the &#8220;best show in Vegas&#8220;  [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Never, Ever, Pay For Traffic by Tandem Paragliding Tiger</title>
		<link>http://www.marketmotive.com/marshall/2007/10/08/never-ever-pay-for-traffic/#comment-52</link>
		<author>Tandem Paragliding Tiger</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.marketmotive.com/marshall/2007/10/08/never-ever-pay-for-traffic/#comment-52</guid>
		<description>I have work with clients who are lawyers that got ripped off by online yellow pages like Superpages.com and zero conversions sold in a bundle as Google and " some other search engines" My experience is that  other traffic sources are not worth spending time and money on  compared to quality traffic for Google, Yahoo or MSN Live. Also find lots of local directories that are not worth fees they charge for a premium listing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have work with clients who are lawyers that got ripped off by online yellow pages like Superpages.com and zero conversions sold in a bundle as Google and &#8221; some other search engines&#8221; My experience is that  other traffic sources are not worth spending time and money on  compared to quality traffic for Google, Yahoo or MSN Live. Also find lots of local directories that are not worth fees they charge for a premium listing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fooled by Randomness by Internet Marketing Solution</title>
		<link>http://www.marketmotive.com/marshall/2007/08/14/fooled-by-randomness/#comment-45</link>
		<author>Internet Marketing Solution</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.marketmotive.com/marshall/2007/08/14/fooled-by-randomness/#comment-45</guid>
		<description>Spending my Monday catching up on Internet Marketing Solution and found this comment about Fooled by Randomness . Nice read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spending my Monday catching up on Internet Marketing Solution and found this comment about Fooled by Randomness . Nice read.</p>
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